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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10642</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 23:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;A.P.:&lt;/strong&gt; The FL legislature is not in session - it finished its work in May 2012 - but, it can be called into special session, to pass any laws with respect to getting on the 2012 general election ballot. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flsenate.gov/session/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.flsenate.gov/session/&lt;/a&gt; But to all of you D&#039;s in FL who crave better ballot eligibility laws and are upset with the recent adverse ruling in the FL ballot challenge; take heart in knowing you would likely not succeed in petitioning your legislature to act, anyway, given that the R&#039;s have controlled both the FL House and Senate for the past 14 years. &lt;a href=&quot;http://static-lobbytools.s3.amazonaws.com/press/20120529_trends_party_affiliation.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://static-lobbytools.s3.amazonaws.com/press/20120529_trends_party_affiliation.pdf&lt;/a&gt; &lt;strong&gt;ADMINISTRATOR&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A.P.:</strong> The FL legislature is not in session &#8211; it finished its work in May 2012 &#8211; but, it can be called into special session, to pass any laws with respect to getting on the 2012 general election ballot. <a href="http://www.flsenate.gov/session/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flsenate.gov/session/</a> But to all of you D&#8217;s in FL who crave better ballot eligibility laws and are upset with the recent adverse ruling in the FL ballot challenge; take heart in knowing you would likely not succeed in petitioning your legislature to act, anyway, given that the R&#8217;s have controlled both the FL House and Senate for the past 14 years. <a href="http://static-lobbytools.s3.amazonaws.com/press/20120529_trends_party_affiliation.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://static-lobbytools.s3.amazonaws.com/press/20120529_trends_party_affiliation.pdf</a> <strong>ADMINISTRATOR</strong></p>
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		<title>By: A.P.</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10635</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 22:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You obviously can&#039;t//won&#039;t read or understand the statutes shown you by dualer. Mere repetition of your misinterpretion won&#039;t make it so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You obviously can&#8217;t//won&#8217;t read or understand the statutes shown you by dualer. Mere repetition of your misinterpretion won&#8217;t make it so.</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10633</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 21:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;A.P.:&lt;/strong&gt; I am not relitigating the case. The judge said, Plaintiffs used the wrong law. (Please, if you believe the word &quot;nominate&quot; in FL law, applies equally to both 1) party candidates who are nominated to represent the party on the November ballot, as the result of votes cast by voters in the primary election; and 2) party candidates who are nominated by votes cast by pledged delegates at national party nominating conventions; say that.)

In the 4 years since the last general election; too bad more self-described patriots did not encourage voters in FL to shore up their election laws, rather than to just give them money, and more money, for the righteous battles purportedly fought on others&#039; behalf. Even now, your comments indicate you fail to grasp; election laws which were unable to guarantee the federal qualifications of candidates for office in 2008; are the same laws which will prevent unqualified candidates from appearing on the ballot in 2012. And all the diatribes against me will not change this fact: I am not the reason, citizens have failed to fix their laws. 

Under TX law; no candidate who is not federally qualified is entitled to appear on the general election ballot. But until we could obtain the documents used by the D state party; we could not prove what I had only theorized since 2008: no one who certified Barack Obama to the state ballot could have ascertained he was federally qualified for the job. Until that time; we could only hope to establish, under TX law; not producing documents was tantamount to saying, there are none. 

But either way; that is, even if no legal mechanism existed to verify a party candidate had been federally qualified; once this fact was established, back in 2010, when people first requested and the party refused to produce their documents; why would citizens put up with that, when federal qualification was a prerequisite to getting on the ballot? In other words; why didn&#039;t they insist that the SoS had to verify those party candidates had been federally qualified to appear on the ballot or that she couldn&#039;t certify their names to the ballot without evidence of such validation? I don&#039;t know. &lt;strong&gt;ADMINISTRATOR&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A.P.:</strong> I am not relitigating the case. The judge said, Plaintiffs used the wrong law. (Please, if you believe the word &#8220;nominate&#8221; in FL law, applies equally to both 1) party candidates who are nominated to represent the party on the November ballot, as the result of votes cast by voters in the primary election; and 2) party candidates who are nominated by votes cast by pledged delegates at national party nominating conventions; say that.)</p>
<p>In the 4 years since the last general election; too bad more self-described patriots did not encourage voters in FL to shore up their election laws, rather than to just give them money, and more money, for the righteous battles purportedly fought on others&#8217; behalf. Even now, your comments indicate you fail to grasp; election laws which were unable to guarantee the federal qualifications of candidates for office in 2008; are the same laws which will prevent unqualified candidates from appearing on the ballot in 2012. And all the diatribes against me will not change this fact: I am not the reason, citizens have failed to fix their laws. </p>
<p>Under TX law; no candidate who is not federally qualified is entitled to appear on the general election ballot. But until we could obtain the documents used by the D state party; we could not prove what I had only theorized since 2008: no one who certified Barack Obama to the state ballot could have ascertained he was federally qualified for the job. Until that time; we could only hope to establish, under TX law; not producing documents was tantamount to saying, there are none. </p>
<p>But either way; that is, even if no legal mechanism existed to verify a party candidate had been federally qualified; once this fact was established, back in 2010, when people first requested and the party refused to produce their documents; why would citizens put up with that, when federal qualification was a prerequisite to getting on the ballot? In other words; why didn&#8217;t they insist that the SoS had to verify those party candidates had been federally qualified to appear on the ballot or that she couldn&#8217;t certify their names to the ballot without evidence of such validation? I don&#8217;t know. <strong>ADMINISTRATOR</strong></p>
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		<title>By: A.P.</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10629</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 21:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are sounding more and more like an obot. Dualer showed you the exact statutes and relevant wording, which you choose to ignore.

Try reading the complaints and motions, instead of just a ruling riddled with errors and omissions of fact and law.

I have not seen the results of your previous complaint.  Since Obama is still on the Texas ballot, I&#039;ll hazard a guess that it was denied or ignored.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are sounding more and more like an obot. Dualer showed you the exact statutes and relevant wording, which you choose to ignore.</p>
<p>Try reading the complaints and motions, instead of just a ruling riddled with errors and omissions of fact and law.</p>
<p>I have not seen the results of your previous complaint.  Since Obama is still on the Texas ballot, I&#8217;ll hazard a guess that it was denied or ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;A.P.:&lt;/strong&gt; You actually direct people reading the &quot;jbjd&quot; blog, to ART2, to find a legally binding definition of NBC? HA HA HA HA HA! &lt;strong&gt;ADMINISTRATOR&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A.P.:</strong> You actually direct people reading the &#8220;jbjd&#8221; blog, to ART2, to find a legally binding definition of NBC? HA HA HA HA HA! <strong>ADMINISTRATOR</strong></p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10617</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;A.P.:&lt;/strong&gt; The judge issued an adverse ruling in the FL ballot challenge, a case grounded in FL law, in which he paraphrased the language I had used to predict this same outcome, almost 5 months earlier. 

No Petitioner will prevail in a ballot eligibility case, in whatever state forum; when that state has no law requiring that any candidate whose name appears on the ballot must be eligible for the job. 

(Just to clarify your point that Mickey Mouse could appear on the NJ ballot, under the laws of that state. Yes, he could. Given that the citizens of that state have failed to enact laws that would bar such farce. However; notwithstanding there are no ballot eligibility laws to prevent this; the SoS, as the head of elections, may lawfully exercise the discretion of her office to keep off the ballot the name of someone she already knows is Constitutionally unqualified for the job.) 

And, a correction. You write, &quot;...stop badmouthing fellow patriots.&quot; Of course, I don&#039;t &#039;badmouth fellow patriots&#039; in the first place. &lt;strong&gt;ADMINISTRATOR&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A.P.:</strong> The judge issued an adverse ruling in the FL ballot challenge, a case grounded in FL law, in which he paraphrased the language I had used to predict this same outcome, almost 5 months earlier. </p>
<p>No Petitioner will prevail in a ballot eligibility case, in whatever state forum; when that state has no law requiring that any candidate whose name appears on the ballot must be eligible for the job. </p>
<p>(Just to clarify your point that Mickey Mouse could appear on the NJ ballot, under the laws of that state. Yes, he could. Given that the citizens of that state have failed to enact laws that would bar such farce. However; notwithstanding there are no ballot eligibility laws to prevent this; the SoS, as the head of elections, may lawfully exercise the discretion of her office to keep off the ballot the name of someone she already knows is Constitutionally unqualified for the job.) </p>
<p>And, a correction. You write, &#8220;&#8230;stop badmouthing fellow patriots.&#8221; Of course, I don&#8217;t &#8216;badmouth fellow patriots&#8217; in the first place. <strong>ADMINISTRATOR</strong></p>
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		<title>By: A.P.</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10615</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Re: There is no legally binding definition of NBC. And, of course, my repetition of this fact. &quot;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: There is no legally binding definition of NBC. And, of course, my repetition of this fact. &#8221;</p>
<p>(link to ART2 deleted by jbjd)</p>
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		<title>By: jbjd</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;dualer:&lt;/strong&gt; I learned long ago, repeating the law in a good faith attempt to respond to your comments, is a total waste of time. That&#039;s why I stopped responding. However, I will take this welcome opportunity to correct your mischaracterization that Kelly Canon blindly supports any particular candidate, of any party. 1) Kelly is a registered Republican. 2) She was a delegate at the TX R state senate precinct caucus, and even managed to correct the resolution on eligibility which they proposed to put in the national party plank at the Presidential nominating convention. They wanted the candidates to provide birth certificates; Kelly explained, no identification document is official which has not been generated by the &quot;issuing authority&quot; and conveyed directly from them to the government recipient. The amended resolution passed but was somehow omitted for the R state convention. How do we know? Because 3) Kelly attended the R state convention, as a delegate. &lt;strong&gt;ADMINISTRATOR&lt;/strong&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>dualer:</strong> I learned long ago, repeating the law in a good faith attempt to respond to your comments, is a total waste of time. That&#8217;s why I stopped responding. However, I will take this welcome opportunity to correct your mischaracterization that Kelly Canon blindly supports any particular candidate, of any party. 1) Kelly is a registered Republican. 2) She was a delegate at the TX R state senate precinct caucus, and even managed to correct the resolution on eligibility which they proposed to put in the national party plank at the Presidential nominating convention. They wanted the candidates to provide birth certificates; Kelly explained, no identification document is official which has not been generated by the &#8220;issuing authority&#8221; and conveyed directly from them to the government recipient. The amended resolution passed but was somehow omitted for the R state convention. How do we know? Because 3) Kelly attended the R state convention, as a delegate. <strong>ADMINISTRATOR</strong></p>
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		<title>By: A.P.</title>
		<link>http://jbjd.org/2012/07/05/ineligible-to-merit-support/comment-page-1/#comment-10613</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A.P.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 19:01:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When did jbjd or canon become experts on Florida law?  jbjd made sweeping statements generalizing laws in the states, which have pronounced differences.  Please read and understand the statutes before bloviating. 

Do you honestly believe that all the attorneys and plaintiffs were totally wrong?  I have been through the NH, NJ, GA, AL, FL cases, which were legitimate, but denied on bogus grounds. Did you know that even Mickey Mouse could run for President on the NJ ballot? Those were Obama&#039;s lawyer&#039;s words in court, embraced by the judge (she was removed from the case that week for her brutal frankness). Total nonsense, of course, but this is what passes for jurisprudence in 2012 America. 

By the way, what ever happened to your TX administrative complaint? For various reasons, the power structure does not want Obama stopped. It will affect your new case(s), too. The solution is to mobilize public opinion-- even take it to the streets if necessary. that will not happen until the pain level is high enough. Unfortunately, that may not happen before the election.

In the meantime, stop deluding yourself and stop badmouthing fellow patriots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When did jbjd or canon become experts on Florida law?  jbjd made sweeping statements generalizing laws in the states, which have pronounced differences.  Please read and understand the statutes before bloviating. </p>
<p>Do you honestly believe that all the attorneys and plaintiffs were totally wrong?  I have been through the NH, NJ, GA, AL, FL cases, which were legitimate, but denied on bogus grounds. Did you know that even Mickey Mouse could run for President on the NJ ballot? Those were Obama&#8217;s lawyer&#8217;s words in court, embraced by the judge (she was removed from the case that week for her brutal frankness). Total nonsense, of course, but this is what passes for jurisprudence in 2012 America. </p>
<p>By the way, what ever happened to your TX administrative complaint? For various reasons, the power structure does not want Obama stopped. It will affect your new case(s), too. The solution is to mobilize public opinion&#8211; even take it to the streets if necessary. that will not happen until the pain level is high enough. Unfortunately, that may not happen before the election.</p>
<p>In the meantime, stop deluding yourself and stop badmouthing fellow patriots.</p>
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		<title>By: dualer</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2012 18:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You speak exactly like the typical Obot Internet operative-- &quot;the law doesn&#039;t say what you think&quot;, &quot;poor reading comprehension skills&quot;, etc. The SOS doesn&#039;t implement rules-- the legislature does-- the SOS carries out the rules made by the legislature. Every ballot challenge has been dismissed by the &quot;standing&quot; principle-- not on the merits of the case. The judiciary is compromised--- so it&#039;s not hard to predict. I have perfect standing, but Lewis is making up nonsense to say I don&#039;t, just so they don&#039;t have to reach the merits. The plain words of the ss. 101.252 says that Obama was &quot;nominated&quot; to the DNC Convention by the Dem. party Florida delegation:

&quot;101.252 Candidates entitled to have names printed on certain ballots; exception.—(1) Any candidate for nomination who has qualified as prescribed by law is entitled to have his or her name printed on the official primary election ballot. However, when there is only one candidate of any political party qualified for an office, the name of the candidate shall not be printed on the primary election ballot, and such candidate shall be declared nominated for the office&quot;.

Notice it says &quot;Any candidate for nomination&quot;, and &quot;who has qualified as prescribed by law&quot;. Obama is a candidate for nomination AND he is the only candidate qualified to be on the ballot in Fla., thus he was &quot;nominated&quot;. You are outing yourself as an Obama internet operative-- I see you&#039;re getting &quot;help&quot; from another OBOT (kjcanon)-- you better get reinforcements, because neither of you are smart enuf.--- I knew all along that you work for the other side.

I have perfect standing, and Fla Siupreme Court says &quot;eligibility is a judicial determination, upon any contest properly brought.&quot; I presented evidence that Obama is not eligible, and the other side presented NOTHING but an argument that he wasn&#039;t &quot;nominated&quot; (he was). Go ahead show us all more about how brilliant you are in suggesting that SOSs be sued for not determining that which you say doesn&#039;t exist.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You speak exactly like the typical Obot Internet operative&#8211; &#8220;the law doesn&#8217;t say what you think&#8221;, &#8220;poor reading comprehension skills&#8221;, etc. The SOS doesn&#8217;t implement rules&#8211; the legislature does&#8211; the SOS carries out the rules made by the legislature. Every ballot challenge has been dismissed by the &#8220;standing&#8221; principle&#8211; not on the merits of the case. The judiciary is compromised&#8212; so it&#8217;s not hard to predict. I have perfect standing, but Lewis is making up nonsense to say I don&#8217;t, just so they don&#8217;t have to reach the merits. The plain words of the ss. 101.252 says that Obama was &#8220;nominated&#8221; to the DNC Convention by the Dem. party Florida delegation:</p>
<p>&#8220;101.252 Candidates entitled to have names printed on certain ballots; exception.—(1) Any candidate for nomination who has qualified as prescribed by law is entitled to have his or her name printed on the official primary election ballot. However, when there is only one candidate of any political party qualified for an office, the name of the candidate shall not be printed on the primary election ballot, and such candidate shall be declared nominated for the office&#8221;.</p>
<p>Notice it says &#8220;Any candidate for nomination&#8221;, and &#8220;who has qualified as prescribed by law&#8221;. Obama is a candidate for nomination AND he is the only candidate qualified to be on the ballot in Fla., thus he was &#8220;nominated&#8221;. You are outing yourself as an Obama internet operative&#8211; I see you&#8217;re getting &#8220;help&#8221; from another OBOT (kjcanon)&#8211; you better get reinforcements, because neither of you are smart enuf.&#8212; I knew all along that you work for the other side.</p>
<p>I have perfect standing, and Fla Siupreme Court says &#8220;eligibility is a judicial determination, upon any contest properly brought.&#8221; I presented evidence that Obama is not eligible, and the other side presented NOTHING but an argument that he wasn&#8217;t &#8220;nominated&#8221; (he was). Go ahead show us all more about how brilliant you are in suggesting that SOSs be sued for not determining that which you say doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
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